Britain in Europe: A (Further) Response to John Redwood
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This article is the fourth piece in a debate which has taken place between John Redwood and Anand Menon on e-International Relations. Mr Redwood’s original editorial, Britain in Europe in 2008: Big World, Bad Europe, Ugly Consequences was published in February 2008. Professor Anand Menon’s response, Britain in Europe: A Response to John Redwood followed in early March. John Redwood replied later in the month. This editorial represents Professor Menon’s second response to John Redwood’s argument.
Let me commence with an apology. I did not, in replying to John Redwood’s piece, intend to cause personal offence or to launch any kind of personal attack. If that is how my response came across, I apologize unreservedly.
Turning to the substance, the European achievements Mr Redwood refers to include far more than simply buildings and music. Indeed, a centrepiece of them is the EU itself. Initially a revolutionary, far-sighted and sophisticated response to the need to enshrine peace in
And the strength of this market (the GDP of which is greater than that of the
Is the single market over-regulated, as Mr. Redwood believes? Well, that depends. Certainly the
Insofar as there is excessive EU regulation, this is a result of the way member states dominate the
Ensuring an effective market does not require a common Government. Mr. Redwood is quite right about this (though disingenuous in implying that I claim as much). Rather, what is required are strong political authorities capable of ensuring the rule of law. So, member states must know they will face action from the Commission and the Court if they prevent trade across frontiers. And the Commission must be a strong and fully independent competition policy authority. A market, I repeat, needs strong, limited, institutions. Better regulation does not simply mean less regulation; it also means regulation better and more evenly applied.
Moving onto the broader points that Mr Redwood makes. Why do I sniff at the idea of a referendum? Well, for two reasons really. First, parties use them for reasons of political tactic not constitutional principle. They call popular votes when these are likely to hurt their opponents. I sniffed equally at Tony Blair’s decision to call a referendum on the Constitutional Treaty.
Quite apart from the rank hypocrisy involved in discussions of referenda, there is also the fact that they are notoriously bad at providing answers to the question actually asked. Why should Bertie Ahern’s resignation have lessened the chances of a ‘no’ vote in
For the record, I agree that the way the French and Dutch populations have been treated is shameful. But I am not surprised at the sight of politicians treating their populations shamefully. What I do not accept is that some out of touch ‘EU elite’ is responsible for this. The decisions on the Treaty – all of them – were taken by national political leaders acting, not as some fanciful euro-cabal, but, rather, as national politicians. That they proved out of touch with their own populations does not surprise me massively either.
If Mr. Redwood feels EU debates are too dominated by protectionism and power seeking (I personally believe they are far less so than they were, say, twenty years ago), then one solution would be for people like him to engage in the debates more actively. Rather than forever turning discussions of the EU into battles over superstates and the like, why not lobby consistently and vigorously for better policies?
The paradox about Conservative positions on Europe is that the EU of today is an almost perfect example of what Margaret Thatcher called for in
Let me be clear about a couple of things. I do not want a country called
Personally, I oppose UK membership of the euro, anything but a minimal common foreign and security policy aimed at complementing, not replacing member state policies, and any moves to make the EU more state like by, say, electing the Commission President (the one element of the Treaty with which I passionately disagree). I am not, in other words, a foaming Europhile. Quite the contrary.
I do, however, believe in appreciating the EU for what it is: a uniquely well developed form of interstate cooperation focussed around a single market.
Anand Menon is Director of the University of Birmingham’s European Research Institute. He is author of Europe; the State of the Union,



I thank Professor Menon for his apology and change of tone. He may not agree with my views, but they are sincerely held and based on a sustained argument and a view of how the world works. In a democracy it is best to meet such positions with courteous and well argued disagreement.
I am also delighted to learn that Professor Menon agrees with me that the Uk should not join the Euro, and wishes to rule out any idea of more political Union or the creation of a country called Europe. Like him, I think such a course wrong for the UK. Unlike him, I do think that is the direction of travel of many of our partner countries and the Commission. The language and centralising powers of recent Treaties underlines this point.
I do argue strongly for different and better policies from the EU. I want to see the end of the protectionist CAP, which puts up food bills at home and deprives developing countries abroad of markets for their produce. I want to see many regulations withdrawn, as they are not necessary to be able to trade with each other. They can limit competition, choice and innovation. I want to see lower taxes, which requires less governemnt at all levels including the European one.
It is good to know that the Professor too, shares some of these aims. The problem is, I see no chance of achieving them in the near future given the attitude of the main political parties on the continent of Europe.
Professor Menon is concerned that political parties only use referenda as a political tactic not constitutional principle does this include the referenda for the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly London assembly etc, other than which all parties promised a referendum of the treaty which failed and Lisbon does everything that treaty did.
The other reason referenda are sniffed at is because they are notoriously bad at providing answers to the question actually asked. And people would vote either according to their view of the Union as a whole, or to make a point about something else entirely.
Historically with EU referenda if the answer is no, then obviously the people have voted about something else, because they are invited to vote again. If however the answer is yes, then obviously the people have voted on the question asked because they are never asked again.
As one of the people I resent and totally reject Professors Menon`s suggestion that I should not be allowed to consider the whole EU but be confined to only considering this particular treaty. I for instance would want to re-visit the Treaty on European Union, I did not consent to becoming a citizen of the EU and would have voted against that treaty on that subject alone, as I was denied a vote I reserve the right to vote against any EU treaty when I am given a chance.
It seems the argument is; let us just ignore every undemocratic move that has been taken in the creation of the present EU and just concern ourselves with the treaty on the table at the moment. If that treaty includes unacceptable clauses which were initially in another treaty, then I argue we the people have every right to look at the EU as a whole.
The argument made is one about an EU I simply do not recognise, it is not a Confederation of trading states as described by Professor Menon, in a confederation citizens always remain only citizens of the member state, it is the moves for deeper political integration which demands the question of citizenship to be answered.
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As someone who has been involved in the standardisation of communications technology, including in the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) during the 1990s, I would like to correct Professor Menon?s claim that the EU is responsible for GSM. ETSI merely took over standards largely developed in an earlier body (CEPT) that grew out of the Nordic Mobile Telephony (NMT) system deployed in Scandinavian countries. It is no accident that companies from Sweden and Finland (which did not even join the EU until 1995) dominate the GSM equipment and handset business that really began with the release of GSM phase 1 in 1990.